Schwan’s USA Cup to be sanctioned by US Club Soccer as MYSA drops out

2009 January 1
by Brian Quarstad

A little more than a week ago, the National Sports Center released a statement announcing that the Schwan’s USA Cup, which has traditionally been sanctioned by Minnesota Youth Soccer, (MYSA) would instead be sanctioned by US Club Soccer. The actual press release read:

As many of you in Minnesota know, Schwan’s USA CUP is an event and not a soccer club/program so we need a sanctioning organization or club. Schwan’s USA CUP has had MYSA as a sanctioning partner since its inception in 1985.

Long story short, this year MYSA could not sanction Schwan’s USA CUP because of a date issue, so we are sanctioned by US Club Soccer, MN Thunder Academy and Arsenal. This is not an issue for any team that wants to participate in the tournament because Schwan’s USA CUP still has US Soccer and FIFA as governing bodies so AYSO, US Club Soccer and USYSA teams are all accepted.

This may cause some confusion to Minnesota teams about what they can or should do, but the best option is to contact MYSA or Schwan’s USA CUP with your questions and we will all do our best to help you sort through questions.

I contacted MYSA and NSC to get their explanation of this situation. MYSA’s John Curtis, Coaching Director and Executive Director Candace Daley were both emailed with no response. I also called Daley again to follow up and finally gave a second and final phone call, letting her know I was going to write the story. I told her I had NSC’s side of things and wanted to give MYSA an equal voice. I was never called back or emailed.

NSC was very approachable and I first talked to Barclay Kruse, Media Director for NSC. Kruse went out of his way to make sure I understood that MYSA was sanctioning all of NSC’s other tournaments in 2009 and this was the only tournament MYSA was not sanctioning.

He also said the conflict arose from the date of the Schwan’s USA Cup and the dates of MYSA District play-offs to qualify for end of the season state tournament.

Kruse put me in touch with Steve Olson, Chief Operating Officer for NSC. Olson called me back promptly and shared his view of the situation. He explained the conflict with Schwan’s USA Cup and MYSA district playoffs is an old one, but for some reason, on the 25th anniversary of the Schwan’s tournament, MYSA discontinued talks with NSC to resolve the issue. Paul Erickson, Executive Director of the Minnesota Amateur Sports Commission, (MASC) tried to contact MYSA’s attorney for 2 weeks without a response. Olson said NSC went to US Club Soccer to get their event sanctioned. He also said, “We are trying to establish a relationship with MYSA for 2009 that will allow teams wishing to participate in both the MYSA State play-offs and the USA Cup, to do so.”

US CLub Soccer was founded in 2000. It was formed after American Youth Soccer (AYSO) challenged US Soccer back in the 90′s. The argument was that US Youth Soccer didn’t have to be the only organization in the US to fall under United States Soccer Federation, who in turn falls under FIFA laws and rules. US Soccer needed to allow its members direct and equal access to the governing body. (US Club Soccer is an interesting story in itself and one that IMS will attempt to address this winter.)

When I coached in the North District, I too experienced the scheduling conflicts that always happen between Schwan’s USA Cup and district playoffs. If our team was going to participate in the state playoffs and Schwan’s USA Cup, there was a possibility of having to play up to three games in a day–two for the Schwan’s tourney and one district game.

In all fairness to MYSA, the schedule is tight. The season can’t begin too early for weather reasons, particularly in the northern parts of the state. The season needs to be wrapped up by particular dates allowing time for rescheduled games and finally, the State Tournament needs to conclude in time to have a several week gap between that date and the start of the Minnesota high school season. The harsh and unpredictable seasons with the cold rainy springs and cold falls do not play kindly to the schedules of Minnesota soccer.

Olson claims that as a former Executive Director of MYSA, he knows how the rules are designed to work. He said that MYSA is set up for the President to give direction to the organization in regards to districts. Instead, he says, MYSA has pushed the resolution off to the district directors in the past. In turn each district director needed to then resolve their conflicts with NSC. Olson also says that at the last MYSA AGM, there was a rule change to alter the format of the tournament. There would now be a three tier system, districts, regionals and then state, much like the state high school tournament format, which in turn would reduce the teams that made it to districts, therefore reducing the amount of conflicts.

“NSC supported this change. MYSA published a notice of rule changes and in that it was stated that the rationale for this change was “concessions” to be demanded by NSC in the State Tournament. Such statement was never made by NSC,” claims Olson. “Again, we supported the change.”

Olson also went on to say that there were some rumors spread at last years Schwan’s Cup “that just weren’t true,” but unfortunately seemed to also do damage to the relationship between NSC and MYSA. “Specifically, we were quoted as saying that teams playing on the final day of the USA Cup would play only one game that day. That was not true and never said by NSC personal,” said Olson.

For those who are not familiar with youth soccer in Minnesota, many of the better teams often do not sign up for state play-offs. State Cup, held in the beginning of the season, -early May- can be a much higher level of play. Teams that win State Cup, can move onto regional and national play sponsored by US Youth Soccer. The end of the year state play-offs are closed ended and do not award teams with anything but a trophy. However, state play-offs are a way for teams to move up (relegation/promotion) to the next highest league. For example, if a team were to win the C-1 state tournament, they would automatically be moved up to the premier league the following year. The lowest placed team in the Premier league would drop to C-1 and the runner up in the state play-offs for C-1, would participate in a play-off game with the second to the lowest team in the premier league. The winner of that game would be included in the premier league the following year, with the loser either remaining or dropping down to the C-1 league.

IMS is also aware of the rift between the Minnesota Thunder and MYSA because of the newly formed Minnesota Thunder Academy. In the coming months, IMS will also attempt to try to get MYSA’s explanation on this evolving story along with some of the clubs who feel they have been affected by this move. With that said, this site set out to be a place where everyone involved with soccer in the state of Minnesota comes together. I’m certainly not interested in creating riffs and divisions. In fact quite the opposite – Minnesota is too small of a soccer state to have so many of the largest organizations be in conflict with each other. If we are to truly progress soccer in the state, we need to get the facts on the table and find resolution that we can all agree on.

IMS will also be conducting an interview with Steve Olson later in January as we talk all things youth soccer in the state of Minnesota as well as the United States.

10 Responses
  1. Super Rookie permalink
    January 1, 2009

    I love soccer drama.

  2. January 2, 2009

    I could do without out it, particularly since it’s the kids who usually lose out when adult egos get in the way. I’m not saying that’s the clear cut case here, but too often it is. In other words, lets sit down and hash this stuff out. Not everyone is going to be perfectly happy with a resolution, but isn’t that what resolution is all about. Both parties giving some until a satisfactory solution can be found that both can live with. As stated previously, the first step is to lay this stuff out on the table so everyone can know and understand the issues.

  3. Team Manager permalink
    January 2, 2009

    Why would MYSA be concerned that the Thunder aligned with a youth club? This is happening everywhere you look around the US with MLS and USL clubs alike. It seems to be the wave of the future.

  4. Zach permalink
    January 2, 2009

    I think it’s good US Club Soccer is becoming a bigger factor in Minnesota youth soccer world.
    MYSA has had a monopoly far too long. It’s sad the way they failed to respond to NSCs calls and emails as noted in your USA Cup report.
    The leadership seems to be a bit arrogant and needs to do what is best for the kids not get into petty spats with some of the mainstay organizations we have here in this state.

  5. January 2, 2009

    Zach, I agree with much of what your saying, but in defense of MYSA, they also have to look after the rec player and the C-2 and C-3 player. The needs of these other sorts of players are often very different than the needs of a player who has aspirations of playing college soccer or even beyond with pro aspirations. I certainly believe there is a place for all those players and a way to achieve all these things. Again, I wish MYSA would have responded to give their side of things. I think the debate is important and healthy but it can’t be done unless both sides decide they want to participate.

  6. thors cup permalink
    January 2, 2009

    Team Manager, the issue is as follows:

    1 – MYSA clubs pay $ to MYSA in dues
    2 – MYSA paid $ to the Thunder through a sponsorship agreement
    3 – The Thunder now has MTA
    4 – MYSA clubs, through the MYSA sponsorship of the Thunder feel that they are in effect subsidizing MTA, an entity that not only competes with the local clubs but also apparently steals all the best players away from these clubs
    5 – The affronted clubs complained to MYSA
    6 – MYSA is more about the clubs than the players and must appear to treat all clubs equally, like they did with MTA’s MRL applications

    Pretty simple really when you think about it. And the only fault towards MYSA is that those who are hired as soccer professionals obviously don’t make the decisions in their front office, for whatever reason.

    The future of high level US competitive soccer is not dictated by the state associations and administrators. It is led by the progressive individuals and clubs, as well as by entities such as US Club Soccer as mentioned above.

  7. Time+Bend permalink
    January 3, 2009

    Something to think about…

    There is an interesting article in OnPoint this winter by Roger Martin, How Successful Leaders Think. He is also the author of The Opposable Mind (HBP,2007)

    …We often don’t know what to do with fundamentally opposing models. Our first impulse is usually to determine which is “right” and, by the process of elimination, which is “wrong”…

    …integrative thinking…the predisposition and the capacity to hold two opposing ideas at once. And then, without panicking or simply settling for one alternative or the other, create/resolve the tensions between those two ideas by generating a new one that contains elements of the others but is superior to both…

    …integrative thinkers don’t mind a messy problem. In fact, they welcome complexity, because that’s where the best answers come from…

  8. January 3, 2009

    In simple terms, Thinking out of the box. Yes!

    “Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people”.
    - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Here’s a link to the article I believe you were referencing.

    http://www.portfolio.com/resources/insight-center/2007/09/04/How-Successful-Leaders-Think

  9. Time+Bend permalink
    January 5, 2009

    The point of the discussion is to understand the complexity of the situation and not to redefine it in “simple terms”.

    Just sit with it…
    Think about it…hold two opposing ideas at once…
    What is the answer?

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