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	<title>Comments on: Rochester Rhinos Owner Rob Clark Jumps USL Ship to TOA and new NASL</title>
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		<title>By: CoconutMonkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>CoconutMonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Grant

Good point.  Having trouble deciding where to play isn&#039;t nearly as bad as having nowhere to play. 

But man, with the NCAA, PDL, NPSL, USL, NASL, and MLS, the American Soccer Pyramid is one wacky looking structure. However, as long as our clubs don&#039;t go bust, our players develop and get paid what their worth, and our national team is competitive, I&#039;m happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Grant</p>
<p>Good point.  Having trouble deciding where to play isn&#8217;t nearly as bad as having nowhere to play. </p>
<p>But man, with the NCAA, PDL, NPSL, USL, NASL, and MLS, the American Soccer Pyramid is one wacky looking structure. However, as long as our clubs don&#8217;t go bust, our players develop and get paid what their worth, and our national team is competitive, I&#8217;m happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 01:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MN Youth Strikers Academy— ha! very funny!

What about the &quot;Minnesota BUZZers&quot; with a big August yellow-jacket as their logo (but better than Edina&#039;s).

Grant—nicely put.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MN Youth Strikers Academy— ha! very funny!</p>
<p>What about the &#8220;Minnesota BUZZers&#8221; with a big August yellow-jacket as their logo (but better than Edina&#8217;s).</p>
<p>Grant—nicely put.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Quarstad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Quarstad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know that&#039;s posted tongue in cheek, but I&#039;m not touching that one with a 10 foot pole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that&#8217;s posted tongue in cheek, but I&#8217;m not touching that one with a 10 foot pole.</p>
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		<title>By: MA</title>
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		<dc:creator>MA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just heard this afternoon that the TOA team in MN may be branded the Minnesota Strikers.  

Maybe instead of Thunder Jrs. we&#039;ll have Youth Strikers, and MN Thunder Academy (MTA) can morph into MN Youth Strikers Academy (MYSA).  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just heard this afternoon that the TOA team in MN may be branded the Minnesota Strikers.  </p>
<p>Maybe instead of Thunder Jrs. we&#8217;ll have Youth Strikers, and MN Thunder Academy (MTA) can morph into MN Youth Strikers Academy (MYSA).  <img src='http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just hope that ALL of the teams and leagues do well enough to exist. I dont have anything to add to the &#039;meat&#039; of this discussion other than I&#039;m a born and raised American Soccer fan, with a healthy knowledge of the sport AND a potential season ticket buyer in the Tampa market who needs a void filled. Eveyone I talk to about The Rowdies coming back seems pleased or at least glazes over remembering the 4th of July celebrations that the team used to throw (on the field...no less!)

I guess what my wildly uneducated question is...instead of thinking that &#039;my team might not play&#039; this season, should I be happy/optimistic that there are so many leagues that my team can fit themselves into? If there is one common thread from everything Ive been reading, its that there are these soccer teams with owners, and they are trying to decide what league they want to play in. What a strange dilemma? I love it! Its not the usual &quot;Were gonna start a soccer league...would you like to be in it?&quot; ...&quot;Ummm...no!...nobody likes soccer!&quot; Its a reverse of that. They are going to have to instead &#039;consolidate&#039; leagues. It sounds like, if your one of the many groups who own a soccer team in the US, you can be in youth development up to PDL, or USL-2 if your slighlty more ambitious, or USL-1/NASL if your middle range serious, all the way up to MLS which is the marquee league for Professionally managed teams....or still yet...be in all of them! 

Sounds like the burden is on The USSF to make sure all of these markets remain &#039;interested&#039;, right? to make sure &#039;a&#039; league exists which unifies all of the soccer watching American populace?

This is going to make for an interesting chapter in yet to be published &#039;The History of American Soccer&#039;   Are there any examples of this happening in modern sport? NFL/AFL, maybe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just hope that ALL of the teams and leagues do well enough to exist. I dont have anything to add to the &#8216;meat&#8217; of this discussion other than I&#8217;m a born and raised American Soccer fan, with a healthy knowledge of the sport AND a potential season ticket buyer in the Tampa market who needs a void filled. Eveyone I talk to about The Rowdies coming back seems pleased or at least glazes over remembering the 4th of July celebrations that the team used to throw (on the field&#8230;no less!)</p>
<p>I guess what my wildly uneducated question is&#8230;instead of thinking that &#8216;my team might not play&#8217; this season, should I be happy/optimistic that there are so many leagues that my team can fit themselves into? If there is one common thread from everything Ive been reading, its that there are these soccer teams with owners, and they are trying to decide what league they want to play in. What a strange dilemma? I love it! Its not the usual &#8220;Were gonna start a soccer league&#8230;would you like to be in it?&#8221; &#8230;&#8221;Ummm&#8230;no!&#8230;nobody likes soccer!&#8221; Its a reverse of that. They are going to have to instead &#8216;consolidate&#8217; leagues. It sounds like, if your one of the many groups who own a soccer team in the US, you can be in youth development up to PDL, or USL-2 if your slighlty more ambitious, or USL-1/NASL if your middle range serious, all the way up to MLS which is the marquee league for Professionally managed teams&#8230;.or still yet&#8230;be in all of them! </p>
<p>Sounds like the burden is on The USSF to make sure all of these markets remain &#8216;interested&#8217;, right? to make sure &#8216;a&#8217; league exists which unifies all of the soccer watching American populace?</p>
<p>This is going to make for an interesting chapter in yet to be published &#8216;The History of American Soccer&#8217;   Are there any examples of this happening in modern sport? NFL/AFL, maybe?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Quarstad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Quarstad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will have two articles later tonight. One on Nikes share of the stakes in this mess and the other in what I think will be the ultimate solution to this issue...for this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will have two articles later tonight. One on Nikes share of the stakes in this mess and the other in what I think will be the ultimate solution to this issue&#8230;for this year.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Quarstad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Quarstad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you guys have been reading carefully, NSC basically said both sides are courting them. The ball is totally in their court if they should decided to field a team when the 30 days are up after notifying the Thunder of termination of their lease. We have to be close to day 15 at this point. 

The NASL logo is just something that we&#039;ve dug out of the archive just to have a visual. The TOA has not come up with a new logo but I&#039;m positive they are working on it as we write. 

Also, the NASL was not the leagues first choice. National Soccer League was, but they couldn&#039;t get the rights. 

I guarantee you if NSC starts a new team, which I have no doubt that they will, it WILL NOT be named the Thunder for a whole lot of different reasons. I have written about this before as well. There are pros and cons but right now I think there are more pros to not keeping the name than cons, even though I am very attached to the name that has been around longer than any MLS team has. As well, its a tribute to Buzz Lagos. But there are a lot of negative connotations with the that name right now which is very say and a product of the last several owners. 

&quot;How do they seriously consider being able to put something together for next summer; management, coach and a team?&quot;

Mark, this question has to be asked not just of the Thunder but of all the teams involved with the TOA and USL at this point. Again, I wrote about this in the last several weeks, but all these teams are paddling up stream right now as they are losing their Christmas sales, the first of the year sales and are going to lose sponsorship because all their other clients are planning for next summer NOW.  The GM&#039;s of these teams are having a fit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you guys have been reading carefully, NSC basically said both sides are courting them. The ball is totally in their court if they should decided to field a team when the 30 days are up after notifying the Thunder of termination of their lease. We have to be close to day 15 at this point. </p>
<p>The NASL logo is just something that we&#8217;ve dug out of the archive just to have a visual. The TOA has not come up with a new logo but I&#8217;m positive they are working on it as we write. </p>
<p>Also, the NASL was not the leagues first choice. National Soccer League was, but they couldn&#8217;t get the rights. </p>
<p>I guarantee you if NSC starts a new team, which I have no doubt that they will, it WILL NOT be named the Thunder for a whole lot of different reasons. I have written about this before as well. There are pros and cons but right now I think there are more pros to not keeping the name than cons, even though I am very attached to the name that has been around longer than any MLS team has. As well, its a tribute to Buzz Lagos. But there are a lot of negative connotations with the that name right now which is very say and a product of the last several owners. </p>
<p>&#8220;How do they seriously consider being able to put something together for next summer; management, coach and a team?&#8221;</p>
<p>Mark, this question has to be asked not just of the Thunder but of all the teams involved with the TOA and USL at this point. Again, I wrote about this in the last several weeks, but all these teams are paddling up stream right now as they are losing their Christmas sales, the first of the year sales and are going to lose sponsorship because all their other clients are planning for next summer NOW.  The GM&#8217;s of these teams are having a fit.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BQ - I agree which is also why I believe the NSC will end up picking up the pieces and either buying just the assets from Wingfield (of which the Thunder name would most likely be included) if possible or creating a new team/club with a new name (old NASL?).  USL will be stuck with the Wingfield bill and the NSC will most likely have to write off their debt.  Regardless of which direction they go in, they will be virtually starting from scratch since there is very little Thunder infrastructure still in place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BQ &#8211; I agree which is also why I believe the NSC will end up picking up the pieces and either buying just the assets from Wingfield (of which the Thunder name would most likely be included) if possible or creating a new team/club with a new name (old NASL?).  USL will be stuck with the Wingfield bill and the NSC will most likely have to write off their debt.  Regardless of which direction they go in, they will be virtually starting from scratch since there is very little Thunder infrastructure still in place.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I had read your earlier posts about the NSC forming a team of their own, but thought that was a non-starter now that USL looked to be in such a mess, and that Thunder management was said to still owe $ to NSC.

What is the state of the Thunder management—three people? How do they seriously consider being able to put something together for next summer; management, coach and a team? -Unless, as Tom suggests NSC grabs the reins.

and that NASaL logo is awful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I had read your earlier posts about the NSC forming a team of their own, but thought that was a non-starter now that USL looked to be in such a mess, and that Thunder management was said to still owe $ to NSC.</p>
<p>What is the state of the Thunder management—three people? How do they seriously consider being able to put something together for next summer; management, coach and a team? -Unless, as Tom suggests NSC grabs the reins.</p>
<p>and that NASaL logo is awful!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Quarstad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Quarstad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, I think if you look at the archives here you will find your answer many times over. Thanks Tom, that pretty much sums things up except that the Thunder would have to come up with 145 grand to make things right with the NSC. What are the chances of that happening? 

I&#039;ve always said, Parade would have been the absolute perfect place for the Thunder and of course they had proposed Crystal Palace at Parade but there was no chance of that ever happening for exactly the reasons you suggested. The wealthy Kenwood gang.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I think if you look at the archives here you will find your answer many times over. Thanks Tom, that pretty much sums things up except that the Thunder would have to come up with 145 grand to make things right with the NSC. What are the chances of that happening? </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always said, Parade would have been the absolute perfect place for the Thunder and of course they had proposed Crystal Palace at Parade but there was no chance of that ever happening for exactly the reasons you suggested. The wealthy Kenwood gang.</p>
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