Comments on: USSF, CSA, PRFF, TOA and USL to Meet Sunday to Resolve Dispute http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2009/12/05/ussf-csa-prff-toa-and-usl-to-meet-sunday-to-resolve-dispute/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 02:33:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Brian Quarstad http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2009/12/05/ussf-csa-prff-toa-and-usl-to-meet-sunday-to-resolve-dispute/#comment-3385 Brian Quarstad Mon, 07 Dec 2009 23:50:52 +0000 http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/?p=12457#comment-3385 Chase, some very good points. CM, There are plenty of reasons and if the USSF does not sanction them I'm sure you will hear of them. Chase, some very good points.

CM, There are plenty of reasons and if the USSF does not sanction them I’m sure you will hear of them.

]]> By: Matt in SF http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2009/12/05/ussf-csa-prff-toa-and-usl-to-meet-sunday-to-resolve-dispute/#comment-3383 Matt in SF Mon, 07 Dec 2009 23:17:16 +0000 http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/?p=12457#comment-3383 @ BUSA Bulldog: And yet, that's how every single league anywhere in the world was started. They either formed up from scratch or formed up from the remnants of a pre-existing league. @ BUSA Bulldog:

And yet, that’s how every single league anywhere in the world was started. They either formed up from scratch or formed up from the remnants of a pre-existing league.

]]> By: BUSA Bulldog http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2009/12/05/ussf-csa-prff-toa-and-usl-to-meet-sunday-to-resolve-dispute/#comment-3374 BUSA Bulldog Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:52:14 +0000 http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/?p=12457#comment-3374 One of the most reasonable reasons is to not set a precedent of allowing groups to just go and form their own league. One of the most reasonable reasons is to not set a precedent of allowing groups to just go and form their own league.

]]> By: CoconutMonkey http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2009/12/05/ussf-csa-prff-toa-and-usl-to-meet-sunday-to-resolve-dispute/#comment-3365 CoconutMonkey Mon, 07 Dec 2009 06:24:14 +0000 http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/?p=12457#comment-3365 I'm not sure I understand. Are there any big reasons for the new NASL not to be sanctioned? I’m not sure I understand. Are there any big reasons for the new NASL not to be sanctioned?

]]> By: Chase Hoffman http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2009/12/05/ussf-csa-prff-toa-and-usl-to-meet-sunday-to-resolve-dispute/#comment-3362 Chase Hoffman Mon, 07 Dec 2009 03:43:16 +0000 http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/?p=12457#comment-3362 The problem I think you'll have with an unsanctioned league is what happens to the players. Some of the folks in USL-1 are full internationals for their nations. They'll get barred from playing for FIFA right quick if they play for an unsanctioned league. Similarly, if you have players trying to get sold up to better, sanctioned leagues, unsanctioned status will be a big roadblock in the paying of transfer fees. The problem I think you’ll have with an unsanctioned league is what happens to the players. Some of the folks in USL-1 are full internationals for their nations. They’ll get barred from playing for FIFA right quick if they play for an unsanctioned league.

Similarly, if you have players trying to get sold up to better, sanctioned leagues, unsanctioned status will be a big roadblock in the paying of transfer fees.

]]> By: ERic http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2009/12/05/ussf-csa-prff-toa-and-usl-to-meet-sunday-to-resolve-dispute/#comment-3361 ERic Mon, 07 Dec 2009 03:39:53 +0000 http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/?p=12457#comment-3361 My worry in all this is lawyers and FIFA. Around the rest of the world, despite their being an extra-national organization, the power of soccer consistently wins over the local legal system. However, this is the US. I can very easily imagine that, if the parties were determined enough, the courts would be more than happy to take the case, and let the case take its course, no matter what FIFA says. Our legal system would not care about what FIFA says, and if the lawyers didn't care, then it's all to easy for me to imagine FIFA yanking the US from the World Cup, and the lawyers and legal system not caring. I'm probably being alarmist here, but I always have to remember that soccer in the US is still different from the rest of the world. My worry in all this is lawyers and FIFA. Around the rest of the world, despite their being an extra-national organization, the power of soccer consistently wins over the local legal system. However, this is the US. I can very easily imagine that, if the parties were determined enough, the courts would be more than happy to take the case, and let the case take its course, no matter what FIFA says. Our legal system would not care about what FIFA says, and if the lawyers didn’t care, then it’s all to easy for me to imagine FIFA yanking the US from the World Cup, and the lawyers and legal system not caring. I’m probably being alarmist here, but I always have to remember that soccer in the US is still different from the rest of the world.

]]> By: Jorey http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2009/12/05/ussf-csa-prff-toa-and-usl-to-meet-sunday-to-resolve-dispute/#comment-3358 Jorey Mon, 07 Dec 2009 01:33:27 +0000 http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/?p=12457#comment-3358 USSF will not play hard ball they will try to convince all the parties to come to a compromise my guess is it will include full sanctioning of the NASL in some way shape or form (maybe not till next year). I am sure there will be incentives offered to both the USL and NASL what those may be I do not know. At the end of the day there are going to be business minded people at the table which means the USSF really hold no hardball bargaining chips that are legal if challenged, US law is completely on the side of the NASL when it comes to starting there own league, and on the side of the USL when it comes to potential contract violations by individual teams. Take soccer politics out and this becomes strictly business. The law is on the buisness side not the politics side. I hope common sense wins out and the Minnesota Thunder Kicking Striker Vikings become a reality (Come on Ziggy own a real Football team). USSF will not play hard ball they will try to convince all the parties to come to a compromise my guess is it will include full sanctioning of the NASL in some way shape or form (maybe not till next year). I am sure there will be incentives offered to both the USL and NASL what those may be I do not know. At the end of the day there are going to be business minded people at the table which means the USSF really hold no hardball bargaining chips that are legal if challenged, US law is completely on the side of the NASL when it comes to starting there own league, and on the side of the USL when it comes to potential contract violations by individual teams. Take soccer politics out and this becomes strictly business. The law is on the buisness side not the politics side. I hope common sense wins out and the Minnesota Thunder Kicking Striker Vikings become a reality (Come on Ziggy own a real Football team).

]]> By: nathan3e http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2009/12/05/ussf-csa-prff-toa-and-usl-to-meet-sunday-to-resolve-dispute/#comment-3357 nathan3e Mon, 07 Dec 2009 00:01:28 +0000 http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/?p=12457#comment-3357 "This is classic hardball and the USSF holds all the chips. NASL/TOA has ZERO chance of being sanctioned and ZERO chance of playing this year." Definitive statements of this sort are always a good read, particularly when they are not connected in any visible way to tangible evidence. Honestly, I do not know if I have ever seen a less clear example of "hardball". Playing hardball against whom? To what end? MLS is going to risk poisoning relationships to better their CBA position? Only one thing is clear right now: Everyone is making it up as they go along. Unless one is directly involved in the decision making, one has ZERO idea of what is actually going to happen. “This is classic hardball and the USSF holds all the chips. NASL/TOA has ZERO chance of being sanctioned and ZERO chance of playing this year.”

Definitive statements of this sort are always a good read, particularly when they are not connected in any visible way to tangible evidence. Honestly, I do not know if I have ever seen a less clear example of “hardball”. Playing hardball against whom? To what end? MLS is going to risk poisoning relationships to better their CBA position? Only one thing is clear right now: Everyone is making it up as they go along.

Unless one is directly involved in the decision making, one has ZERO idea of what is actually going to happen.

]]> By: Dave Clark http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2009/12/05/ussf-csa-prff-toa-and-usl-to-meet-sunday-to-resolve-dispute/#comment-3356 Dave Clark Mon, 07 Dec 2009 00:00:12 +0000 http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/?p=12457#comment-3356 http://blogs.democratandchronicle.com/devo/2009/12/06/no-magic-at-key-meeting-in-nyc/ No Miracle compromise according to Rhino's Clark http://blogs.democratandchronicle.com/devo/2009/12/06/no-magic-at-key-meeting-in-nyc/

No Miracle compromise according to Rhino’s Clark

]]> By: Eric B http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2009/12/05/ussf-csa-prff-toa-and-usl-to-meet-sunday-to-resolve-dispute/#comment-3355 Eric B Sun, 06 Dec 2009 23:58:56 +0000 http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/?p=12457#comment-3355 Footy Guru: If the players strike they can't go play for another league. The idea that NASL is bargaining chip for the MLSPU is wrong. Also, other than Vancouver (who is leaving for MLS) and Montreal (who want to go to MLS) who is a big club in a big market? Atlanta, CPB, and Miami aren't big clubs while Carolina ard Rochester aren't big markets (and it's debatable if they're big clubs either). Tampa is really an unkown, if Cooper had enough money for a "big club" he'd have an MLS franchise, and we don't even if Minnesota exists anymore. Footy Guru:

If the players strike they can’t go play for another league. The idea that NASL is bargaining chip for the MLSPU is wrong. Also, other than Vancouver (who is leaving for MLS) and Montreal (who want to go to MLS) who is a big club in a big market? Atlanta, CPB, and Miami aren’t big clubs while Carolina ard Rochester aren’t big markets (and it’s debatable if they’re big clubs either). Tampa is really an unkown, if Cooper had enough money for a “big club” he’d have an MLS franchise, and we don’t even if Minnesota exists anymore.

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