Comments on: US Club Soccer Grievance Against USYS- MYSA, WYSA, NDYSA, Will Be Heard on Thursday

By: Paul

Paul — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:08:48 +0000

CYA in an over litigated society.

By: Aaron

Aaron — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 05:02:04 +0000

Oh, and a point I forgot to make…insurance coverage by the hosting touranment and attending teams is a requirement by pretty much every governing body, US Club, MYSA, AYSO, USSF, etc. The tournemant has to have it and they have to require all attending players to provide proof of insurance in order to be sanctioned.

By: Aaron

Aaron — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 04:58:40 +0000

@Paul – The insurance coverage extended to members of USYSA or US Club organizations is a supplimentary insurance meant to cover where your primary insurance leaves off. You may be fully covered, so you for you, not an issue. Other families may not be in the same boat and may need the extra coverage should an injury requiring medical care occur. The waivers are generally a protection against litigation, but from my Legal Aspects of Sport course back in my college days, they don’t necessarily hold up all the time, but that isn’t the issue here.

@anyone interested – US Club rules do allow a US Club sanctioned tournament to extend their insurance policy to non-US Club teams at an added premium, which is what USA Cup ended up doing this past summer. Here is the rule from the US Club website:

Policy 10.04 Tournament Insurance
. The Organization may, through its insurance carrier, make tournament insurance available to its Members in cases where it is desirable to insure all non-member tournament attendees. Such insurance will be optional for the tournament host and incur an additional premium cost.
(Retrieved 22:55 16/12/2009 http://www.usclubsoccer.org/Files/USCS%20POLICIES%20(CURRENT)–6-1-08.pdf)

By: Zlatan

Zlatan — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:14:23 +0000

USYSA insurance is governed by USSF, as is US Clubs. The fact that the one organziation doesn’t sanction anothers tournaments should require mutiple insurance policies as they are both governed by the same organization USSF.

USYSA are just being babies. They didn’t care when US Club was smaller an more obscure. I took teams to US Club tournaments and used by USYSA policy/proof of insurance all the time. USYSA are just trying to throw their weight around.

By: Paul

Paul — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:30:36 +0000

Okay, I don’t understand why insurance is even the issue. Every tournament we sign a waiver basically saying any injuries are the families’ responsibility. I have my own personal insurance that covers all that. Why then do we need additional insurance? We can’t sue even if we wanted to.

By: Kieran

Kieran — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:09:21 +0000

The reality is that the insurance industry will NEVER allow players to be insured in events where the insured parent organization isn’t the sanctioning body. It doesn’t give anyone control over the standard that the parent organization had to meet to get the rate they did. If the unthinkable happens and this is ruled in favor of USClub Soccer, be prepared for huge hikes in the insurance rates for MYSA. This isn’t about turf, it’s about risk management.
It’s only about turf in the small minds that aren’t looking at the insurance issues.

By: Paul

Paul — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:40:53 +0000

“Get the adults and the politics out of the way and just let the kids play soccer.”

I wholeheartely agree with that and in a perfect world both organizations would play in each others tournaments unabated, but the reality is there is jealousy or whatever that impedes that.

By: MIAC Fan

MIAC Fan — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:08:56 +0000

Paul,
I would disagree. Both US Club Soccer and USYS fall under the USSF umbrella. Both organizations should honor and accept player passes from the other. That from what I understand is the basis of the lawsuit since both are part of USSF.
Anything other than this is just defending turf and adding additional costs for the clubs and the players.
Get the adults and the politics out of the way and just let the kids play soccer.

By: Paul

Paul — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:05:25 +0000

I’m familar with US Club. They were formed recently to be a more competitive alternative. They also have their own system similar to ODP called ID2 which identifies talented players for regional and national teams. There are both regional and national tournaments as well.

The bottom line is there is just too much red tape and anomosity between the two organizations. I think the only way to resolve it is for US Club teams to only play in US Club sanctioned tournaments. They are starting to form leagues and state tournaments in some states. Just not in Minnesota yet.

By: Brian Quarstad

Brian Quarstad — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:23:00 +0000

I just updated the article with a link to an article I did last year on What is US Club Soccer. I think it's a pretty good explanation of what the organization is and why they are different as well as what they hope to achieve. Go here for that article entitled, What is US Club Soccer.