Comments on: Making a Case for Charlie Davies’ Inclusion on the US World Cup Roster http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2010/03/11/making-a-case-for-charlie-davies-inclusion-on-the-us-world-cup-roster/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:13:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Brian Quarstad http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2010/03/11/making-a-case-for-charlie-davies-inclusion-on-the-us-world-cup-roster/#comment-5737 Brian Quarstad Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:25:49 +0000 http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/?p=14734#comment-5737 By the way. I follow Charlie Davies on Twitter. This was his last tweet: @CharlieDavies9 AGAIN THANK YOU ALL FOR THE PRAYERS AND BEST WISHES!!!!! YOU ARE ALL HELPING ME IN MY RECOVERY. BLESS YOU ALL If you'd like to see more of this tweets and how his recovery is going and his thankfulness for prayers and well wishes you can go here: http://twitter.com/CharlieDavies9 By the way. I follow Charlie Davies on Twitter. This was his last tweet:

@CharlieDavies9

AGAIN THANK YOU ALL FOR THE PRAYERS AND BEST WISHES!!!!! YOU ARE ALL HELPING ME IN MY RECOVERY. BLESS YOU ALL

If you’d like to see more of this tweets and how his recovery is going and his thankfulness for prayers and well wishes you can go here:

http://twitter.com/CharlieDavies9

]]> By: Soccer Boy http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2010/03/11/making-a-case-for-charlie-davies-inclusion-on-the-us-world-cup-roster/#comment-5722 Soccer Boy Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:45:34 +0000 http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/?p=14734#comment-5722 Forgivness also requires one to confess that their actions were wrong. Has Charlie fessed up? I think he has the same publicists as Tiger Woods. Jim, regardless if he/driver was drunk, or they were coming home from midnight Mass at the National Cathedral, common sense dictates that you put your team above yourself and not mess around late at night before a big match. Cam, I agree with your points. Regardless if Charile is on the team or not, I really see our young lads coming home after three matches. Sorry folks, but I am not impressed with this group at all! Forgivness also requires one to confess that their actions were wrong. Has Charlie fessed up? I think he has the same publicists as Tiger Woods.

Jim, regardless if he/driver was drunk, or they were coming home from midnight Mass at the National Cathedral, common sense dictates that you put your team above yourself and not mess around late at night before a big match.

Cam, I agree with your points.

Regardless if Charile is on the team or not, I really see our young lads coming home after three matches. Sorry folks, but I am not impressed with this group at all!

]]> By: Jim http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2010/03/11/making-a-case-for-charlie-davies-inclusion-on-the-us-world-cup-roster/#comment-5719 Jim Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:54:50 +0000 http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/?p=14734#comment-5719 Not to drag this conversation out too much, but has anybody besides Internet conclusion jumpers ever reported that alcohol had anything to do with the accident? All I can find is some injury lawyer's blog that said she "had consumed alcohol" and was futzing with her GPS. Not to drag this conversation out too much, but has anybody besides Internet conclusion jumpers ever reported that alcohol had anything to do with the accident?

All I can find is some injury lawyer’s blog that said she “had consumed alcohol” and was futzing with her GPS.

]]> By: cam stoltz http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2010/03/11/making-a-case-for-charlie-davies-inclusion-on-the-us-world-cup-roster/#comment-5710 cam stoltz Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:46:56 +0000 http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/?p=14734#comment-5710 I do believe in forgiveness as well, that is my point, but in due time and not just expedited in the case of that we need a star. I could be wrong, but it seems he was out with some jersey chasers or at least innocent fans. This was avoidable and with some training or maturity and relative professionalism, would have been avoided. I will stick my preemies. Drunk driving has contributors and consequences, the crime is so preventable and that is the shame. He was a contributor. Stupid mistakes to such a outcome are completely unacceptable. We all are humans and have the ability and need to learn. Brian I respect your points. I guess I am also disappointed that there seems to be no accountability or control from Bob Bradley’s leadership or the GM of MNT. I don’t feel we are getting the best leadership from post Bruce Arena, qualification and now. Better leadership could have steered away from this; accountability would ensure a stronger future. I do believe in forgiveness as well, that is my point, but in due time and not just expedited in the case of that we need a star. I could be wrong, but it seems he was out with some jersey chasers or at least innocent fans. This was avoidable and with some training or maturity and relative professionalism, would have been avoided. I will stick my preemies. Drunk driving has contributors and consequences, the crime is so preventable and that is the shame. He was a contributor. Stupid mistakes to such a outcome are completely unacceptable. We all are humans and have the ability and need to learn.
Brian I respect your points.
I guess I am also disappointed that there seems to be no accountability or control from Bob Bradley’s leadership or the GM of MNT. I don’t feel we are getting the best leadership from post Bruce Arena, qualification and now. Better leadership could have steered away from this; accountability would ensure a stronger future.

]]> By: Soccer Boy http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2010/03/11/making-a-case-for-charlie-davies-inclusion-on-the-us-world-cup-roster/#comment-5709 Soccer Boy Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:23:10 +0000 http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/?p=14734#comment-5709 BQ, I know a while back you were looking for a ESPN link on an interview with Charlie. I am assuming that this issue was addressed in that interview. Did you ever find it? If so, can you please post the link. I would like to inform myself more on this issue. PS: I do believe in forgivness! BQ, I know a while back you were looking for a ESPN link on an interview with Charlie. I am assuming that this issue was addressed in that interview. Did you ever find it? If so, can you please post the link. I would like to inform myself more on this issue.

PS: I do believe in forgivness!

]]> By: Neal aka Lightning Striker http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2010/03/11/making-a-case-for-charlie-davies-inclusion-on-the-us-world-cup-roster/#comment-5706 Neal aka Lightning Striker Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:42:29 +0000 http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/?p=14734#comment-5706 Thank you, bq, for clairfying what I recall. CD9 was NOT driving the vehicle. As for the rest of the arguments, I can understand them all ... from inclusion in the SA2010 squad for inspiration, to exclusion for the curfew violation, which (if not for the horrific accident), would not have permanently excluded him from subsequent team sheets. For me, personally, I agree with bq's suggestion that (if fit enough) that he be included in the squad. However, if he's only fit enough for substitution role, then I waver ... for should there be another injury during the tournament, a substitute can instantly turn into a starting XI. Thank you, bq, for clairfying what I recall. CD9 was NOT driving the vehicle. As for the rest of the arguments, I can understand them all … from inclusion in the SA2010 squad for inspiration, to exclusion for the curfew violation, which (if not for the horrific accident), would not have permanently excluded him from subsequent team sheets.

For me, personally, I agree with bq’s suggestion that (if fit enough) that he be included in the squad.

However, if he’s only fit enough for substitution role, then I waver … for should there be another injury during the tournament, a substitute can instantly turn into a starting XI.

]]> By: Brian Quarstad http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2010/03/11/making-a-case-for-charlie-davies-inclusion-on-the-us-world-cup-roster/#comment-5705 Brian Quarstad Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:37:33 +0000 http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/?p=14734#comment-5705 Cam, you are basically charging Charlie of a crime? Remember, he wasn't driving the car and as far as I know the driver of the car still has not been charged. Did he use really poor judgement? Absolutely he did and if he was the one to say NO, we are going to take a cab or choose not to sneak out at all, perhaps this wouldn't have happened. Then again it still may have. We don't know exactly how life plays out. We are given choices and even though I was not a party guy at that age, I have done my share of stupid things that perhaps could have gotten me or someone else into trouble. I've got three adult children and they've all done some pretty dumb stuff at times as well. (I'm not saying drinking and driving, just stupid stuff like young adults often do) Charlie's horrible decision making caught up with him. For thousands of others they get away with it. We are human, we make mistakes. Listen, I understand where you may be coming from to say he doesn't deserve a spot on the team because of his actions and that may be fair, but lets be careful here about being judge and jury. Because I promise that sort of thinking will turn around and bite you in the ass every time. No one is perfect no matter how good you try to live your life. BTW I thought he had apologized the incident and he has often talked about the lessons he's learned from this. 8 painful surgeries later and agonizing rehab has to make him think about the accident many, many times a day. I'm guessing he's not glad he made the decision he did. I would love to see Charlie working with teenagers in his coming years talking about the dangers of making a decision as he did. I think you just may very well see that. So even then will it erase what happened. Nope! Thats what grace is all about, right? To me his recovery story is still miraculous and inspirational. We will have to agree to disagree on this one. Cam, you are basically charging Charlie of a crime? Remember, he wasn’t driving the car and as far as I know the driver of the car still has not been charged. Did he use really poor judgement? Absolutely he did and if he was the one to say NO, we are going to take a cab or choose not to sneak out at all, perhaps this wouldn’t have happened. Then again it still may have. We don’t know exactly how life plays out. We are given choices and even though I was not a party guy at that age, I have done my share of stupid things that perhaps could have gotten me or someone else into trouble. I’ve got three adult children and they’ve all done some pretty dumb stuff at times as well. (I’m not saying drinking and driving, just stupid stuff like young adults often do) Charlie’s horrible decision making caught up with him. For thousands of others they get away with it. We are human, we make mistakes.

Listen, I understand where you may be coming from to say he doesn’t deserve a spot on the team because of his actions and that may be fair, but lets be careful here about being judge and jury. Because I promise that sort of thinking will turn around and bite you in the ass every time. No one is perfect no matter how good you try to live your life.

BTW I thought he had apologized the incident and he has often talked about the lessons he’s learned from this. 8 painful surgeries later and agonizing rehab has to make him think about the accident many, many times a day. I’m guessing he’s not glad he made the decision he did.

I would love to see Charlie working with teenagers in his coming years talking about the dangers of making a decision as he did. I think you just may very well see that. So even then will it erase what happened. Nope! Thats what grace is all about, right?

To me his recovery story is still miraculous and inspirational. We will have to agree to disagree on this one.

]]> By: cam stoltz http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2010/03/11/making-a-case-for-charlie-davies-inclusion-on-the-us-world-cup-roster/#comment-5704 cam stoltz Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:07:46 +0000 http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/?p=14734#comment-5704 I don’t see how manslaughter and or being in on decisions that cause such (drunk driving) are ever excusable. Bad luck? No, life is the sum of all the choice’s one makes. He is young and could use mentoring, guidance and leadership. That was void if all for one sad, sad night. Thats on him as a man and the staff of the MNT for what they lack. It is inexcusable! Forgivable? Yet everything can be forgiven and earned back. Hey, seriously drunk driving and being in the chain of command that results in it (death / manslaughter), IS as BAD or WORSE than drugs, animal abusing and racketeering. Drunk driving is not a victimless crime, even if the “lucky enough” are not to be caught. How selfish. Ask any victums of such a crime. He may not have been driving, but he was part of the reason the car was there to begin with. If he was anything close to “inspirational” he would not have been in the situation, would have taken the keys, not gotten in the car, paid for a cab OR here is a shock - simply would have been in bed preparing for a chance to be “Inspirational”. Sorry, great player yes, great man – has a long way to go. Let’s hear an apology and or at least the whole story. In most cultures, that’s the path to forgiveness. Until then, I hope the team can rely on real men who can play at the highest level. I would hope we could produce that. I don’t see how manslaughter and or being in on decisions that cause such (drunk driving) are ever excusable. Bad luck? No, life is the sum of all the choice’s one makes. He is young and could use mentoring, guidance and leadership. That was void if all for one sad, sad night. Thats on him as a man and the staff of the MNT for what they lack. It is inexcusable! Forgivable? Yet everything can be forgiven and earned back. Hey, seriously drunk driving and being in the chain of command that results in it (death / manslaughter), IS as BAD or WORSE than drugs, animal abusing and racketeering. Drunk driving is not a victimless crime, even if the “lucky enough” are not to be caught. How selfish. Ask any victums of such a crime. He may not have been driving, but he was part of the reason the car was there to begin with. If he was anything close to “inspirational” he would not have been in the situation, would have taken the keys, not gotten in the car, paid for a cab OR here is a shock – simply would have been in bed preparing for a chance to be “Inspirational”. Sorry, great player yes, great man – has a long way to go. Let’s hear an apology and or at least the whole story. In most cultures, that’s the path to forgiveness. Until then, I hope the team can rely on real men who can play at the highest level. I would hope we could produce that.

]]> By: Jim http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2010/03/11/making-a-case-for-charlie-davies-inclusion-on-the-us-world-cup-roster/#comment-5700 Jim Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:59:58 +0000 http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/?p=14734#comment-5700 "Maybe the Vikings can sign Micheal Vick." Okay. I gotta jump on that one. I get that some people might think Charlie's overhyped for being in a car accident, but comparing him to a repeat offending drug smuggler, animal abuser and racketeer is kind of unfair. He's an emerging talent who'd been incredibly exciting to watch and effective for his club and national teams. He caught an ugly piece of bad luck doing something perfectly normal and reasonable (if not exactly smart), but his recovery has been a pretty inspiring story. If the best you can do to demonize the kid is say "he was out past curfew," then compare him to an actual career shitheel I think you should just join us on the bandwagon. “Maybe the Vikings can sign Micheal Vick.”

Okay. I gotta jump on that one. I get that some people might think Charlie’s overhyped for being in a car accident, but comparing him to a repeat offending drug smuggler, animal abuser and racketeer is kind of unfair.

He’s an emerging talent who’d been incredibly exciting to watch and effective for his club and national teams. He caught an ugly piece of bad luck doing something perfectly normal and reasonable (if not exactly smart), but his recovery has been a pretty inspiring story. If the best you can do to demonize the kid is say “he was out past curfew,” then compare him to an actual career shitheel I think you should just join us on the bandwagon.

]]> By: fotbalist http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2010/03/11/making-a-case-for-charlie-davies-inclusion-on-the-us-world-cup-roster/#comment-5699 fotbalist Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:47:20 +0000 http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/?p=14734#comment-5699 I like Cody's comments. I truly agree with Zlatan, a WC team coach will not select a player just for inspirational purposes (and perhaps shouldn't). There has been some of that in the past but those players carry the names of Hagi, Stoichkov, Charlton...I don't think CD9 - though I think he's awesome - is quite of that caliber. having said that I also feel that CD9 can definitely be a fantastic super sub (20 min) sniper. He definitely has the potential to be devastating in that role, even if not quite 100% match fit. I like Cody’s comments. I truly agree with Zlatan, a WC team coach will not select a player just for inspirational purposes (and perhaps shouldn’t). There has been some of that in the past but those players carry the names of Hagi, Stoichkov, Charlton…I don’t think CD9 – though I think he’s awesome – is quite of that caliber. having said that I also feel that CD9 can definitely be a fantastic super sub (20 min) sniper. He definitely has the potential to be devastating in that role, even if not quite 100% match fit.

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