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	<title>Comments on: FC Edmonton Sacks Coaching Staff, Makes Budget Cuts</title>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2012/09/30/fe/#comment-35641</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 23:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, it can&#039;t be!!!  How much more can the league take?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it can&#8217;t be!!!  How much more can the league take?</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
		<link>http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2012/09/30/fe/#comment-35640</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 23:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now let&#039;s see what other shoe will drop......]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now let&#8217;s see what other shoe will drop&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Quarstad</title>
		<link>http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2012/09/30/fe/#comment-35635</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Quarstad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 17:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the clarification Bart.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the clarification Bart.</p>
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		<title>By: yankiboy</title>
		<link>http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2012/09/30/fe/#comment-35612</link>
		<dc:creator>yankiboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 00:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Amerisnob: I hope that the stadium situation improves in Edmonton and that you end up being proven right. I really believe that the last thing that most of who are following the club would ever want to see is a repeat of what took place back in &#039;04 with the Aviators/Edmonton F.C.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Amerisnob: I hope that the stadium situation improves in Edmonton and that you end up being proven right. I really believe that the last thing that most of who are following the club would ever want to see is a repeat of what took place back in &#8217;04 with the Aviators/Edmonton F.C.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
		<link>http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2012/09/30/fe/#comment-35611</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 23:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A designated not-for-profit entity can indeed enjoy surplus cash, and frankly I don&#039;t know of a not-for-profit entity that does not want their business to show surplus cash, or they cannot survive. The benefit of being a not-for-profit entity is that the surplus cash earnings are tax exempt, meaning they pay no taxes.  In return for this benefit, the not-for-profit entities must have some form of governmental approved public purpose in order to enjoy this benefit.

The surplus cash is not distributed to shareholders (there are none technically) and is invested in the mission business.  These entities must take care to run their business in this manner so that the activities are not deem &quot;unrelated business income&quot; by the IRS and then those earnings become taxable.

I can&#039;t speak for Saputo as Canadian law may be different, but this is US tax law.  In San Antonio&#039;s case, I would almost guarantee that Hartman formed a taxable subsidiary within his not-for-profit for the construction of the stadium, so that any earnings off of this would be taxed, but would not jeopardize his 502(c)(3) designation with the IRS.

So, my little godchildren, Santa Claus does exist and any business, be it for profit or not-for-profit, want revenue to exceed expenses so they have surplus cash at the end of the fiscal year.  It is how these surpluses are treated from a tax perspective that is the issue.

Oh, and lastly, I am pretty sure that King Saputo has made, and continues to make, surplus cash with the Impact.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A designated not-for-profit entity can indeed enjoy surplus cash, and frankly I don&#8217;t know of a not-for-profit entity that does not want their business to show surplus cash, or they cannot survive. The benefit of being a not-for-profit entity is that the surplus cash earnings are tax exempt, meaning they pay no taxes.  In return for this benefit, the not-for-profit entities must have some form of governmental approved public purpose in order to enjoy this benefit.</p>
<p>The surplus cash is not distributed to shareholders (there are none technically) and is invested in the mission business.  These entities must take care to run their business in this manner so that the activities are not deem &#8220;unrelated business income&#8221; by the IRS and then those earnings become taxable.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t speak for Saputo as Canadian law may be different, but this is US tax law.  In San Antonio&#8217;s case, I would almost guarantee that Hartman formed a taxable subsidiary within his not-for-profit for the construction of the stadium, so that any earnings off of this would be taxed, but would not jeopardize his 502(c)(3) designation with the IRS.</p>
<p>So, my little godchildren, Santa Claus does exist and any business, be it for profit or not-for-profit, want revenue to exceed expenses so they have surplus cash at the end of the fiscal year.  It is how these surpluses are treated from a tax perspective that is the issue.</p>
<p>Oh, and lastly, I am pretty sure that King Saputo has made, and continues to make, surplus cash with the Impact.</p>
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		<title>By: Amerisnob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amerisnob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 22:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Yankiboy

I did listen to that podcast and it was very informative. But that was even before I made that post.

I understand that FCE has a huge travel expense that may or may not increase due to the new schedule.

However, when you have a 1200 seat stadium and you regularly get 1500, it indicates that you can draw at least that much with an expanded stadium.

Sure 1500 a game isn&#039;t viable, but that 2500 figure for an unglamorous game against the last-place Atlanta in the middle of a long-slog of a season is an inspiring one. One game sample? Well what more can I come up with when there was one game that the stadium was expanded? Was it a coincidence that 1000 more people than normal decided to show up? I think not, and the theory of supply and demand agrees with me.

So maybe my statement that they could be one of the most financially sound teams in the league was inaccurate BECAUSE of their crazy travel schedule, but either way the stadium is obviously limiting their revenues (which could go toward paying for the crazy travel schedule).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Yankiboy</p>
<p>I did listen to that podcast and it was very informative. But that was even before I made that post.</p>
<p>I understand that FCE has a huge travel expense that may or may not increase due to the new schedule.</p>
<p>However, when you have a 1200 seat stadium and you regularly get 1500, it indicates that you can draw at least that much with an expanded stadium.</p>
<p>Sure 1500 a game isn&#8217;t viable, but that 2500 figure for an unglamorous game against the last-place Atlanta in the middle of a long-slog of a season is an inspiring one. One game sample? Well what more can I come up with when there was one game that the stadium was expanded? Was it a coincidence that 1000 more people than normal decided to show up? I think not, and the theory of supply and demand agrees with me.</p>
<p>So maybe my statement that they could be one of the most financially sound teams in the league was inaccurate BECAUSE of their crazy travel schedule, but either way the stadium is obviously limiting their revenues (which could go toward paying for the crazy travel schedule).</p>
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		<title>By: yankiboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>yankiboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 15:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[^ What would an Ole Yanki Yank post be without a typo? It wouldn&#039;t be a Yanki Yank post.

&quot;Full-fledged salary WAR.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^ What would an Ole Yanki Yank post be without a typo? It wouldn&#8217;t be a Yanki Yank post.</p>
<p>&#8220;Full-fledged salary WAR.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: yankiboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>yankiboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 15:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Piggybacking on what tomASS added, if I recall correctly, there was one year--2009 I think-where Uncle Joey and Montreal took the UNSOLICITED step of actually RAISING the already negotiated salaries of the rostered players. 

The way that I heard it  explained is that as non-profit (and I think with a provincial utility company sponsorship), Montreal actually ended up &quot;too far into the black&quot; 

What  a great problem to have, huh? The Impact had already been in a full-fledged salary way with the then, Rochester Raging Rhinos, so for dudes who have been lured to Montreal it was a case of &quot;the rich getting richer&quot; (USL rich). That was when under the certain circumstances that a guy could make more money taking a contract to play in USL  (MLS forbids players from supplementing their incomes by playing indoors during the offseason and the payed fringe players were making between 11.7k-14k per year).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Piggybacking on what tomASS added, if I recall correctly, there was one year&#8211;2009 I think-where Uncle Joey and Montreal took the UNSOLICITED step of actually RAISING the already negotiated salaries of the rostered players. </p>
<p>The way that I heard it  explained is that as non-profit (and I think with a provincial utility company sponsorship), Montreal actually ended up &#8220;too far into the black&#8221; </p>
<p>What  a great problem to have, huh? The Impact had already been in a full-fledged salary way with the then, Rochester Raging Rhinos, so for dudes who have been lured to Montreal it was a case of &#8220;the rich getting richer&#8221; (USL rich). That was when under the certain circumstances that a guy could make more money taking a contract to play in USL  (MLS forbids players from supplementing their incomes by playing indoors during the offseason and the payed fringe players were making between 11.7k-14k per year).</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Quarstad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Quarstad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 13:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Stephen, I think that Bart might be able to answer that better than I can but I am pretty sure they were included in the feasibility study done by the city of San Antonio when Hartman was looking for public money to build his stadium. At least that&#039;s how I remember it and also if I recall correctly it was recommended that the city not help fund his stadium because the study of D2 soccer compiled by Alan Rothenberg&#039;s group out of California, showed that no one in 2nd division had created a profit scenario?  It is possible I&#039;m mistaken on this. 

Bart?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Stephen, I think that Bart might be able to answer that better than I can but I am pretty sure they were included in the feasibility study done by the city of San Antonio when Hartman was looking for public money to build his stadium. At least that&#8217;s how I remember it and also if I recall correctly it was recommended that the city not help fund his stadium because the study of D2 soccer compiled by Alan Rothenberg&#8217;s group out of California, showed that no one in 2nd division had created a profit scenario?  It is possible I&#8217;m mistaken on this. </p>
<p>Bart?</p>
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		<title>By: tomASS</title>
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		<dc:creator>tomASS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 13:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Stephen - non-profits can make profits. They just can&#039;t disperse them to owners or shareholders. The surplus (profits) can be held in reserve for reinvestment into the non-profit organization at sometime in the future. Of course if they are held in reserve too long there always seems to be a tendency for miss-use of those monies]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Stephen &#8211; non-profits can make profits. They just can&#8217;t disperse them to owners or shareholders. The surplus (profits) can be held in reserve for reinvestment into the non-profit organization at sometime in the future. Of course if they are held in reserve too long there always seems to be a tendency for miss-use of those monies</p>
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